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Sunday, January 30, 2011

Knowing the Mind of God

Examining the End Time Message Doctrine
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Knowing the Mind of God

(Quoting their Explanation)
Way back in eternity, before there ever was a star, a moon, or a galaxy, Elohiym had eternal thoughts and attributes that He wanted to express and manifest for His own pleasure and glorification. He had seen all things from the beginning, for He is infinite and all knowing.


  • He wanted to be a God. The word "God" means "an object of worship". But there was no one that worships Him at that time and so He then created the angels first, so that He as God is worshipped and is proclaimed as God almighty.




  • He wanted to become a Father. Yet how can He be called a "Father" when He Himself has no children? And so in God's mind He wanted to create sons and daughters unto himself so that He could become their Father. Thus, we know that this plan of God was fulfilled and manifested later on when He created Adam and from him He took Eve, then He became a Father.




  • He wanted to become a Saviour. But you see, how can He become a Saviour when there's no one to be saved in the first place? There has to be a fallen entity first before He could ever display his attributes as a Saviour. We can therefore conclude from this case that God had foreseen the fall of man and He permitted man to fall from grace in order for God to fulfill His majestic plan of saving them. Man was placed as a "free moral agency" to choose for himself between good and evil. Adam and Eve fell for the wrong choice. But God prepared the solution for sin even before the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8 tells us that the "Lamb was slain "before" the foundation of the world" to act as an atonement for sin. And God wrote our names (God's elected seed) in the Lamb's Book of Life even before man could ever commit sin. Christ came to redeem these predestinated seed.




  • He wanted to be a Healer, Yet how can He become a Healer when there's nobody sick? There has to be a sickness first before He could be a Healer. Which was first, the sickness or the Healer? We can then conclude from here that sicknesses and afflictions are part of God's permissive will to man in order to show and manifest to mankind His attributes of being a Healer.




  • He wanted to manifest Himself as a King, as a Priest, and as a Judge. So there has to be a kingdom set-up, a holy tabernacle set-up, and a judgment bar set up. These are His eternal thoughts and intentions before the foundation of the world, to get glory unto Himself.



  • (End of Quotes)

    Only in the highest form of arrogance could a person believe that they could know what was in the mind of God?  It’s one thing to state these things as someone’s theory and another thing to state this as a fact saying that this is the correct understanding of the Godhead. For anyone to know the mind of God would require that they were above God in intelligence in order to know what God wanted to do. The Bible says: O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
     For who has known the mind of the Lord? or who has been his counselor?

    The answer to that is no man knows the mind of the Lord and no man is His counselor.

    This whole assumption started off with calling God out of His name by referring to Him as elohiym instead of His announced name of Jehovah. Elohiym is a Hebrew word meaning gods. This was only used in the beginning of their article to denote that He was not a God until there was someone there to worship Him as a God. To say that God wanted to be this or that, could not be known by anyone.

    Let’s look at this whole concept in another way.


  • First, God created the angels for whatever reason that He had and because He was the creator and the angels were the creation, they viewed Him and worshipped Him as their God. So did He want to be a God, or did He become a God because of His creation of angels?




  • Secondly, who knows whether He wanted to be a Father or not. Just due to the fact that he decided to create man and woman, He became their Father. Here again, did He want to become a Father, or did He become a Father just because He created mankind?




  • Thirdly, Did He want to be a savior or did He become a savior out of necessity. Do you really think a just God would give His people the choice to choose and intentionally allow them to transgress just so He could save them? Sorry, but that doesn’t make any sense to me.




  • Then they proceed to say that God knew in advance this was going to happen so He made plans for the slaying of Jesus Christ before the foundation of the World just to save those who He was going to cause to sin. To start off with the scripture does not read that the lamb was slain before the foundation of the World, it says “from” the foundation of the World. Even so, the word “from” was added by the translators of the Bible and could just have well read: the Lamb was slain since the foundation of the World. After all, that is when Jesus was slain, not before and not from, but since.



  • Now the promoters of this doctrine will say that it was in God’s mind to do this even before the foundation of the World. Now we are back reading God’s mind again because of a poor translation of Revelations 13:8.

    Now to even confuse and make the matter even worse, they contend that God wrote our names (God's elected seed) in the Lamb's Book of Life even before man could ever commit sin, and say that these were predestinated seed by adding on another doctrinal error.

    I suggest that you stop here and read my articles on:

    “From the foundation of the World” Click Here...Read this article

    Then read my article on

    “Predestination” Click Here...Read this article

    These two articles will shed some light on these assertions.


  • Then they come to the idea that God wanted to be a healer, so he made provision for the people to become sick so He could heal them. How ridiculous to make such a statement. Doesn’t it make more sense that God became a healer so He could heal the people because they were sick? Such nonsense to make such an assertion is beyond reason.



  • I’m just not going any farther with more of this ridiculous nonsense about man knowing the mind of God, but will examine even more of this End time Message Doctrine in future articles.







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